The front lever as well as the planche will be easier for you to learn. Your ape factor is how long your arms are compared to your height. The reason the length of your arms compared to your body will have an effect on how difficult it is for you to perform the front lever is that: the shorter your arms are, the more of an angle there needs to be between your arms and your torso when you perform the front lever.
A steepened angle will mainly have 2 effects - 1 A muscle is weaker as it gets contracted and 2 the torque in the shoulder which is mostly born by the back muscles will increase as the horizontal distance from your shoulder to your center of gravity increases. We could dive deep into the mechanics of this of course, but this is hardly the topic of this post. The third factor which will affect how easy it is for you to do the front lever is how heavy your lower body is.
The heavier your lower body, the lower your center of gravity will be, and the more difficult the front lever will be to learn. The front lever is easier when your center of gravity is higher - to illustrate this principle, you can try to have someone jump around your shoulders when you are trying the front lever, and see how much easier it gets.
Despite your body weight being doubled if your friend is the same weight as you , the front lever gets considerably easier, due to the center of gravity moving upwards on your body and the angle of your arms decreasing. So - yes, your body will have an effect on the ease with which you learn the front lever. Know that with consistency and a solid plan, nothing will stop you. These are just things to bear in mind. Typically, if you watch a tutorial on front lever progressions, you will be told to go through a list of progressions that looks something like this:.
Front Lever Progressions. The problem is, the increase in difficulty between these progressions is far too large!! The Lost Progressions are a simple, yet powerful concept to integrate into your front lever training. Put simply, The Lost Progressions are intermediate steps between each of the main progressions above.
Think of the 6 progressions above as a set of stairs, and at the 6th stair you are able to perform the full front lever. The problem with those 6 stairs is that you need a ladder to walk from one stair to the next - the steps are too high to climb comfortably! How do we put steps between each main progression to make it easier? The answer is: do not jump from one progression to the next completely, but rather perform the next progression up one-legged. I've also used dumbbells to some success and perhaps a heavily loaded barbell would work, especially those funky kind with hex plates.
Serotonin, that gym of yours is so cool! It's a pity that most of the gyms here in Japan are so old fashioned and retrogade, with the basics of basics.
It's difficult to find a good environment to train here, even indoors, since most of the average houses are so fragile that you can't even set a indoor chin-up bar or the door frame would come down! Usually the only alternative is to find the closest tree to hang the rings I think doing pull-ups with 72kilos lbs of weight strapped on would make my good old friend tendonitis very happy.
I am not certain at all about the mechanics involved in a FL, but is pull-up strength directly transferable to the FL disregarding the core strength element for the sake of the discussion.
It dont feel like that when I work the skill now at tuck with one leg extended even if the muscles in the back is working really hard. I did notice I was getting stiff in new and interesting places when I startet out with the FL..
Erik, if you really want to work this and other skills, I am sure you will find a way. I have my set of rings strapped to the underside of a staircase.
The height is just 2. I dont know your situation, but getting a set of rings you can bring with you to work, school or playgrounds opens a lot of possibilities. If you have your own place it is possible to fix a support structure for the rings to bearing elements in the ceiling. If you think positive and keep your motivation up, everything is possible or as they drilled into us "nothing is impossible, the impossible just takes more time".
BW or weight and you can get tendonitis either way. It's just more difficult to come up with a dip or pull progression that equals so much weight. Actually it's harder to compare one to the other. Nor is it necessary. Once you have successfully laid a solid foundation of basic strength, it is time to progress onto more advanced ring strength elements to continue building maximal strength. Honestly, with my boys and myself I don't do go this route. Not that I really cared since none of them were MAG coaches.
Besides, these gymnastics moves are not merely strength oriented as they are skills and need to be trained as such, IMO. Besides, I have heard of too many people dealing with tendonitis issues concerning heavily weighted movements and that is not something I can condone in my youths or deal with myself or clients.
To be more precise: Is there a carryover effect to the FL skill from doing weighted pull-ups if lacking base strength? Would it be "better" to do the programmed 60sec progression exercise and afterwards do 2x reps of weighted pull-ups. This is the kind of thinking that has left so many people performing endless sets of push ups and pull ups to find little or no progress with 'pushing the numbers' kind of an aproach. The knowledge that gymnastics offers in terms of conditioning provides you with escalating progression skills, instead of building up your numbers into stagnation.
For me, after a certain ability is achieved with the pull ups, for example, what the coach calls 'Basic Strength' I would prefer to see the trainee progress to harder skills that involve the same musculature, instead of more pull ups reps or a heavier weight.
Of course, a certain progression needs to be fully explored before moving on, I noticed that 15 correct pull ups are all that you need before you better off concentrating your efforts on more advanced skills. I do not pretend to have the magic number, it varies, there is no rule set in stone here, you have to autoregulate your training or let someone qualified do it for you. The weighted aproach to body weight conditioning has its value, dont get me wrong, but advancing in skills is a much better option, all in all, in my opinion, when possible.
It will motivate you to train, improve on your prior skills, break through plateus and is as natural as any evolutionary aproach to anything.
Evolve or stagnate! That is clear enough. Thanks for expanding on the question. Being in a vacuum except for Coach Sommer's book and this forum, it is neccesary to get things cleared up now and then. Mr Portal's response really intrigues me. I've been trying to incorporate that mindset into my training despite some odd looks and comments at my gym , and it completely works.
Testing myself on pushup endurance only doing pseudo planche and wrist pushups for the few months prior , I was able to get 61 proper repetitions done. One question I did have regarding that technique, however was is it a timeframe or a number of repetitions you should work towards before you progress? I've been striving for three sets of five for about a month before I progress, but any advice would be greatly appreciated. That is the million dollar question.
As a starting point, for some miometric skills with maximal strength development in mind, it can be a work density of from 10 reps per 35 min up to 25 reps per 20 min. For example, for the Headstand push up and before broadening the range of motion into the full HSPU, I'd like to first achieve 5 sets of 5 reps with no more than 3 min of rest between sets with my trainees.
When I will get that work density, I will go down to 10 sets of 1 rep of the full HSPU and build more density from there. Again, those are not magic numbers, those are just examples that may vary from person to person and movement to movement. Ido's right about building a certain amount of work capacity, or density as he puts it, in a certain position before advancing. When you have the ability to do multiple sets of 5 or so reps of headstand pushups, your stabilization muscles and neurological patterns have developed to the point where it is both safe and productive to move to the next progression.
That's why in another post I put a fairly detailed plan for developing pullup ability before trying to work weighted pullups. You'll find that once you reach that point you have the ability to do weighted pullups with at least 30 lbs for at least 4 reps.
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Front Lever. How to do the Front Lever The front lever is rarely achieved without appropriate strength and gymnastics training. Assume an inverted hang position on a pull-up bar or gym rings. Lower the body slowly down until completely horizontal your body facing upwards. In either case, there will be some carryover between the two.
You may notice these are different than what I advise for the back lever. In my own training, I discovered that this set of progressions worked better for me for the front lever. For example, I found that when I tried to do straddle front levers, there was a likelihood of a pike in the hips, which you want to avoid, but this is easy to avoid with the one-leg versions.
This action can help stabilize the scapula allowing you to hold the position better. Grasp the bar within overhand grip. Pull your legs and hips up, at the same time leaning back. Your back should be rounded and your body tucked up into as much of a ball as possible.
Although rounded, you want your back approximately parallel to the ground. Start in the tuck lever position. Instead of rounding your back, now you're going to straighten it. It should form a line approximately parallel to the ground.
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